#43 Gallery II: More Random High Resolution Sherman Photos with Comments.
Gallery II: More Random High Resolution Photos Of The Sherman With Comments. I Plan On Going Through Books To Confirm The Captions On Some Of These. I Know I’ve Seen Most Of Them In Zaloga’s Armored Attack Books.
Marine supporting an M4A2 maybe on Saipan
Thanks again Ron!
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The Sherman is a large hatch 75mm Sherman, it could be an M4A2 or A3, and I’m betting it’s the PTO and the Philippines
Thi is M4 Cmposite from 44th Tank Battalion after liberation of Manila.
About photo captioned “Nazis surrendering and running to the rear. Tank is an M4A4 so it must be a Brit Sherman.”, indeed it is a British tank, a Sherman Crab flail mine exploder, you can see the chains hanging in front of the tank and the drive engine on the side.
In photo captioned “An M4 with Brigadier Tom Rutherford 1st Armoured Brigade standing in front of it.” I see a Vickers K aircraft machine gun attached to the 75 mm main gun.
“Massive image of a British M4A4 and troops.” is a Canadian M4A2 Mk.III of the Sherbrooke Fusiliers with soldiers of the Fusiliers Mont-Royal in Falaise, August, 1944.
Whereas all the Hollywood Shermans in “Fury” come with a full set of mounted machine guns — bow, co-ax, and two on the turret — the real Shermans pictured in combat on your website are almost never so fully equipped. Usually there’s a .50 on the turret, but often there’s none, and two-gun turrets are really scarce. The co-ax gun is absent or in hiding in many photos, and even the bow gun is frequently missing from its ball mount. Didn’t they believe in firepower?
I asked an acquaintance who served about this. 2 issues. 1. they were there for AA which was virtually non existent. No one wanted to expose themselves to sniper fire so if you wanted to lay down some covering fire you would use the the coaxial or the bow. He even told me that the infantry units they were attached to would “borrow” them along with the tripods and never return them. Pics of the shot up tanks all the weapons were removed of course and a lot of pics are tanks behind the lines which may have had the same thing happen. Weapons removed and put to use elsewhere or pulled for maintenance.
Interesting about the equipment being loaned out and not coming back, even though they received some training on fighting outside the tank, I doubt any tankers had any desire to do so.
I don’t remember what book it was in, but it talked about the crews being very wary of leaving the tank, and some crewmembers barely left the tanks at all unless ordered.
“Small hatch M4 75 tank passing through a town in Europe somewhere. You can make out XX-735-c-11 on the drivers armor, maybe indicating C company 735 Tank Battalion. Note all the extended end connectors piled on the front hull.”
Yes, indeed. The “XX” indicates it was part of the corps troops of the XXth Corps. “C-11” designates it as tank 11 of Co. C. The 735th was assigned to XX Corps (Third US Army) for several months, normally supporting the 5th Infantry Division.
It’s unusual to find two photos of the same vehicle, at two different times. In this gallery, there is a picture of M4 “Hurricane” being loaded or off-loaded from and LST, with full wading trunks in place. The same tank is seen later having it’s engine replaced in the field on the front page of this site. The serials match.
Kudos to the crew who have worked on this site.
The pic entitled “pistolet” is most likely an M4A4. There is a little piece of armour right before where the gas filler caps are. That is tell tale evidence of M4A4s (thanks to Roy Chow for that piece of info) Also, the bogies are spaced wider apart.
John,
Good catch! I’ve updated the caption. It’s still a bit of an odd image though! Roy sure knows his Sherman Identification cues, and his Sherman lore in general.
Regarding the photo captioned “Marine M4A3 or A2 flamethrower tank, Iwo Jima or Okinawa”:
The pic was taken on Iwo Jima. It appears in Bill D. Ross’ book “Iwo Jima” (ISBN 0-394-74288-5) with the caption, “Flame-thrower Sherman tank burns pillbox near base of Suribachi as infantry waits to attack.” The photo is credited to Mark Kaufman. Ross, the book’s author, was a Marine combat photographer on Iwo.
The infantry in question were the 28th Marine Regiment, 5th Marine Division. The 28th Marines’ 2nd Battalion (2/28) was assigned to take Suribachi itself, while the regiment’s other two battalions (1/28 and 3/28) fought northward toward Airfield No. 1. It’s not clear from the photo which battalion the tank is supporting.
Ron, sorry for my late question. My uncle Mike was on Iwo Jima and a crewman for one of the 8 flame tanks that saw action there. Do you happen to know the unit name(s) (is this the correct terminology?) for the flame tanks that were stationed there, 19 Feb – 16 March, 1945?
I read in one report that the flame tanks were “the one weapon that caused the Japs to leave their caves and rock crevices and run.”
Photo 68 (5th from the bottom) is an M4A2 of the tank company attached to 4th Marines, 1st provisional Marine brigade, Guam. The image painted on the applique armor is of a rhino.
Photo 14 is “Honky Tonk” from the 3rd battalion, 1st armored regiment, 1st armored division, lost at Kasserine Pass. There is a nice side view and more information at the Sherman minutia site, under the Pressed Steel Car M4A1 header.
Photo 7, “Jinx” is from the 754th TB, Bougainville, with “Negro troops from the 24th infantry, attached to the Americal division”.
Photo 61, 63 are flame tanks from the 763rd TB, Okinawa
The huge photo shows an large hatch M4A3 75w tank swamped in a river = Photo in Okinawa. This tank has two large plates welded onto the front plate = Probably brackets to hold the M19 floating device wich was widely used in PTO.
An M4A1 driving into a ruin!= The tank entering Fort Santiago in Manila (Phils).
A very nice and interesting site, full of precious informations !!!
I appreciate your very completed job.
Michel E.
The photo captioned “A British or Canadian dude in front of an M4A4” is Canadian Major General Bertram Meryl (Bert) Hoffmeister in front of his M4A4 Sherman command tank “Vancouver”
The Sherman is a large hatch 75mm Sherman, it could be an M4A2 or A3, and I’m betting it’s the PTO and the Philippines
Thi is M4 Cmposite from 44th Tank Battalion after liberation of Manila.
About photo captioned “Nazis surrendering and running to the rear. Tank is an M4A4 so it must be a Brit Sherman.”, indeed it is a British tank, a Sherman Crab flail mine exploder, you can see the chains hanging in front of the tank and the drive engine on the side.
In photo captioned “An M4 with Brigadier Tom Rutherford 1st Armoured Brigade standing in front of it.” I see a Vickers K aircraft machine gun attached to the 75 mm main gun.
“Massive image of a British M4A4 and troops.” is a Canadian M4A2 Mk.III of the Sherbrooke Fusiliers with soldiers of the Fusiliers Mont-Royal in Falaise, August, 1944.
Whereas all the Hollywood Shermans in “Fury” come with a full set of mounted machine guns — bow, co-ax, and two on the turret — the real Shermans pictured in combat on your website are almost never so fully equipped. Usually there’s a .50 on the turret, but often there’s none, and two-gun turrets are really scarce. The co-ax gun is absent or in hiding in many photos, and even the bow gun is frequently missing from its ball mount. Didn’t they believe in firepower?
I asked an acquaintance who served about this. 2 issues. 1. they were there for AA which was virtually non existent. No one wanted to expose themselves to sniper fire so if you wanted to lay down some covering fire you would use the the coaxial or the bow. He even told me that the infantry units they were attached to would “borrow” them along with the tripods and never return them. Pics of the shot up tanks all the weapons were removed of course and a lot of pics are tanks behind the lines which may have had the same thing happen. Weapons removed and put to use elsewhere or pulled for maintenance.
Very interesting comment Dean!
Interesting about the equipment being loaned out and not coming back, even though they received some training on fighting outside the tank, I doubt any tankers had any desire to do so.
I don’t remember what book it was in, but it talked about the crews being very wary of leaving the tank, and some crewmembers barely left the tanks at all unless ordered.
“Small hatch M4 75 tank passing through a town in Europe somewhere. You can make out XX-735-c-11 on the drivers armor, maybe indicating C company 735 Tank Battalion. Note all the extended end connectors piled on the front hull.”
Yes, indeed. The “XX” indicates it was part of the corps troops of the XXth Corps. “C-11” designates it as tank 11 of Co. C. The 735th was assigned to XX Corps (Third US Army) for several months, normally supporting the 5th Infantry Division.
It’s unusual to find two photos of the same vehicle, at two different times. In this gallery, there is a picture of M4 “Hurricane” being loaded or off-loaded from and LST, with full wading trunks in place. The same tank is seen later having it’s engine replaced in the field on the front page of this site. The serials match.
Kudos to the crew who have worked on this site.
Dan
Good catch! I wonder how many miles the R975 had on it!
The pic entitled “pistolet” is most likely an M4A4. There is a little piece of armour right before where the gas filler caps are. That is tell tale evidence of M4A4s (thanks to Roy Chow for that piece of info) Also, the bogies are spaced wider apart.
John,
Good catch! I’ve updated the caption. It’s still a bit of an odd image though! Roy sure knows his Sherman Identification cues, and his Sherman lore in general.
Hi:
Regarding the photo captioned “Marine M4A3 or A2 flamethrower tank, Iwo Jima or Okinawa”:
The pic was taken on Iwo Jima. It appears in Bill D. Ross’ book “Iwo Jima” (ISBN 0-394-74288-5) with the caption, “Flame-thrower Sherman tank burns pillbox near base of Suribachi as infantry waits to attack.” The photo is credited to Mark Kaufman. Ross, the book’s author, was a Marine combat photographer on Iwo.
The infantry in question were the 28th Marine Regiment, 5th Marine Division. The 28th Marines’ 2nd Battalion (2/28) was assigned to take Suribachi itself, while the regiment’s other two battalions (1/28 and 3/28) fought northward toward Airfield No. 1. It’s not clear from the photo which battalion the tank is supporting.
Ron,
Thanks for the correction, I’ll update the caption right now, I hope you don’t mind, I’m just going to cut and paste your response up there.
Ron, sorry for my late question. My uncle Mike was on Iwo Jima and a crewman for one of the 8 flame tanks that saw action there. Do you happen to know the unit name(s) (is this the correct terminology?) for the flame tanks that were stationed there, 19 Feb – 16 March, 1945?
I read in one report that the flame tanks were “the one weapon that caused the Japs to leave their caves and rock crevices and run.”
Photo 68 (5th from the bottom) is an M4A2 of the tank company attached to 4th Marines, 1st provisional Marine brigade, Guam. The image painted on the applique armor is of a rhino.
Fixed it, thanks again Russ!
Photo 14 is “Honky Tonk” from the 3rd battalion, 1st armored regiment, 1st armored division, lost at Kasserine Pass. There is a nice side view and more information at the Sherman minutia site, under the Pressed Steel Car M4A1 header.
Russ,
I got that one fixed, thanks for the info. I love the Sherman Minutia site, it really is the best Sherman site on the internet.
Photo 7, “Jinx” is from the 754th TB, Bougainville, with “Negro troops from the 24th infantry, attached to the Americal division”.
Photo 61, 63 are flame tanks from the 763rd TB, Okinawa
The huge photo shows an large hatch M4A3 75w tank swamped in a river = Photo in Okinawa. This tank has two large plates welded onto the front plate = Probably brackets to hold the M19 floating device wich was widely used in PTO.
An M4A1 driving into a ruin!= The tank entering Fort Santiago in Manila (Phils).
A very nice and interesting site, full of precious informations !!!
I appreciate your very completed job.
Michel E.
Michel
Thanks for the info on these images, I will update them tonight! Thanks for the compliment.
The photo captioned “A British or Canadian dude in front of an M4A4” is Canadian Major General Bertram Meryl (Bert) Hoffmeister in front of his M4A4 Sherman command tank “Vancouver”
Thanks, the place I found the pics had no captions for them, at least that I could figure out.
Actually its Brigadier Tom Rutherford 1st Armoured Brigade and that is an M4 not M4A4. not lack of drain hole armored cover as a recognition feature.
Hoffmeister is way too young
Sean,
Thanks for the info, I’ll fix that now.